The two of us think very differently about the issues surrounding race. And as you'll soon see, @Violence's perspectives are sometimes downright racist and thus offensive (to me, at least). This notwithstanding, and to my surprise, @Violence has been respectful and civil with me; unfortunately, I can't say the same about myself. Last night I overstepped certain bounds of netiquette, and though I've apologized, I'm yet unsure whether s/he will continue to engage me. I can only hope.
In the mean time, I have a few blog posts up my sleeve that are inspired by these quickfire conversations (in intervals of 140 characters or less). This is the first post, which coincides with yet another addition to my disclaimers page:
I'm not against people; I'm against privilege.
Here is the dialogue that brought this disclaimer forth, edited together for cohesion sake. Find @Violence's words in italics, starting with his/her response to the blog post in which I decry violence against people of privilege:
You may not explicitly want physical violence against whites, but you want vilification & degradation & guilt-tripping of whites. You want white people to have a negative sense of their ethnicity, to view European heritage purely as something to be ashamed of. You want whites to see themselves as the villains of the world, to see nothing beautiful or creative in European culture(s).
I don't think of whites in the way you think I do. As an artist, I greatly appreciate the humanistic advances of the Western traditions. As a Christian, anarchist, and pacifist, I greatly appreciate the philosophical traditions of the Western world.
So it's not about blaming, shaming, or guilting. But I believe privilege is a social reality & must be recognized by those who have it. I'll remind you that I'm speaking from my own experience as a white person in the US.
I don't think there's any crime in white people being in charge in the countries they created.
Whites did not create the US.
Whites did create the US. I don't know how that's disputable. The US wouldn't exist if white people hadn't gone to North America. The Thirteen Colonies were founded and built up by white settlers, and the US was created out of the Thirteen Colonies, by white people rebelling against other white people. If you look at any picture of the Founding Fathers, you will see they're 100% white. When I look at the Founding Fathers of the US, I don't see a rainbow of diversity. I see pure, unadulterated White Anglo-Saxons.
The land and indigenous people who lived on it were here long before the Europeans, who in turn brought genocide on the natives and built the US economy on the backs of the poor of all colors (including white). The white people who built the US (as you put it) would have died of hunger or cold, were it not for the labor of people of color.
Black slaves did some manual labour for their masters, but they were basically farm animals, they did what they were told. It was white people who created the Thirteen Colonies, and white people who created the United States.
That's only because nobody else had any rights or privileges. The oppressors in society [rich whites, in this case] don't seem to have a hard time taking positions of power, influence, and wealth; and that's precisely the problem.
That's the history of your country, what about the history of your race?
My race is the human race. That's what I'm talking about - reconciliation, equity, empathy. Nobody should have unearned privileges. You didn't earn whiteness or any of the perks that come with it. Neither did I.
Whites created countries over hundreds or, in the case of Europe, thousands of years, and we inherit what our race has built up. We in turn look after it, and leave it to our descendents. You seem to have a very myopic view of life, where all you care about is what's happening right here and right now. There are things that are above and beyond individuals, above and beyond right now
Exactly. I'm looking after my country, that I might leave one free of racism, oppression, and privilege for my descendants.
You think whites are uniquely evil, you think whites are to be entirely defined as "global oppressors". I don't see you decrying Turk privilege because of the conquering the Turks did. You promote a wholly negative view of whites.
The only thing I've said about whites is that we are privileged. If you see this as negative, then I think we're in agreement!
We're not in agreement, I don't think there's anything wrong with white people being "privileged" and in positions of power in their own countries... You're a self-loathing white, because as far as I can tell, you basically think that white people having any power anywhere is wrong.
I have problems with 1) powerful ppl abusing power, 2) oppression, 3) privilege. Not "whiteness" in and of itself. White people don't own countries. People of all colors inhabit the Earth. We can share it without resorting to violence and oppression.
But your descendents aren't going to benefit from that. The attitudes you promote will leave behind an anti-white society.
These are the attitudes I promote: peace, equity, justice, diversity & racial reconciliation. I'm not anti-white; I'm pro-humanity, all colors.
What I'm against is systemic oppression & domination of any person or group for such arbitrary attributes as skin color, cultural heritage, nationality (or immigration status), gender, sexual orientation, physical/mental capabilities, etc.
Thus I repeat - I'm not against people; I'm against privilege.